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		<title>Gemal&apos;s Psyched Blog - Comments on Mozilla Sunbird</title>
		<link>http://gemal.dk/blog/2003/07/16/mozilla_sunbird/index.html</link>
		<description>Another bird has landed! Mozilla Sunbird aka Mozilla Calendar aka Calendar stand alone application. The logo to the right is the current Mozilla Sunbird logo. Perhaps it&apos;s just a temporary logo. Who knows...? Source code...</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 09:41:04 +0100</pubDate>
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				<title>By Christopher S. &apos;coldacid&apos; Charabaruk</title>
				<description>I hope it&apos;s only a temporary logo. It&apos;s too bright for my liking, and others I&apos;ve talked to agree.</description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope it's only a temporary logo. It's too bright for my liking, and others I've talked to agree.</p>]]></content:encoded>
				<link>http://gemal.dk/blog/2003/07/16/mozilla_sunbird/#comment1?from=rss-comment</link>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2003 01:05:07 +0100</pubDate>
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					<name>Christopher S. &apos;coldacid&apos; Charabaruk</name>
					<email>coldacid@djfly.org</email>
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				<title>By OA</title>
				<description>Did people really buy that idea? Ouch, ouch, ouch.</description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did people really buy that idea? Ouch, ouch, ouch.</p>]]></content:encoded>
				<link>http://gemal.dk/blog/2003/07/16/mozilla_sunbird/#comment2?from=rss-comment</link>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2003 01:34:47 +0100</pubDate>
				<author>
					<name>OA</name>
					<email>n@o.pe</email>
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				<title>By Robb</title>
				<description>Too bright?! It&apos;s supposed to be bright, like the sun. ;-)</description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too bright?! It's supposed to be bright, like the sun. ;-)</p>]]></content:encoded>
				<link>http://gemal.dk/blog/2003/07/16/mozilla_sunbird/#comment3?from=rss-comment</link>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2003 03:22:02 +0100</pubDate>
				<author>
					<name>Robb</name>
					<email>RobbTiger@softhome.net</email>
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				<title>By Jon</title>
				<description>I think it&apos;s cool looking, it just needs to be not set on white. On my monitor it&apos;s practically invisible! Good luck with the project though, Firebird/Thunderbird needs a good calendar product to be able to compete with Outlook in the corporate world.</description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it's cool looking, it just needs to be not set on white. On my monitor it's practically invisible! Good luck with the project though, Firebird/Thunderbird needs a good calendar product to be able to compete with Outlook in the corporate world.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2003 14:32:37 +0100</pubDate>
				<author>
					<name>Jon</name>
					<email>FatefulCaptain@hotmail.com</email>
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				<title>By Kermit</title>
				<description>I think the calendar should be integrated with thunderbird, but that&apos;s just my idea...</description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the calendar should be integrated with thunderbird, but that's just my idea...</p>]]></content:encoded>
				<link>http://gemal.dk/blog/2003/07/16/mozilla_sunbird/#comment5?from=rss-comment</link>
				<guid>http://gemal.dk/blog/2003/07/16/mozilla_sunbird/#comment5</guid>
				<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2003 14:48:15 +0100</pubDate>
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					<name>Kermit</name>
					<email>frogger3d@hotmail.com</email>
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				<title>By michaell</title>
				<description>think the icon looks ok, although the yellow should be a bit darker if it&apos;s going to work on a white background.but (as I&apos;ve just posted on the mozillazine story) I agree with the previous comments.  Calendar needs to be integrated with Thunderbird/Firebird.  Having a pile of separate apps which each require a 5-6MB download and their own installation isn&apos;t good.  Not a problem in the short term, I&apos;m just hoping people aren&apos;t losing site of that for the longer term...</description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>think the icon looks ok, although the yellow should be a bit darker if it's going to work on a white background.</p>

<p>but (as I've just posted on the mozillazine story) I agree with the previous comments.  Calendar needs to be integrated with Thunderbird/Firebird.  Having a pile of separate apps which each require a 5-6MB download and their own installation isn't good.  Not a problem in the short term, I'm just hoping people aren't losing site of that for the longer term...</p>]]></content:encoded>
				<link>http://gemal.dk/blog/2003/07/16/mozilla_sunbird/#comment6?from=rss-comment</link>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2003 14:53:17 +0100</pubDate>
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					<name>michaell</name>
					<email>gemalblog@michaellefevre.com</email>
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				<title>By [ct]</title>
				<description>This looks like it could be the desktop calendar I&apos;ve wanted for ages. Because both MB and Px/Fb would crash on me from time to time, my efforts to use Mozilla Calendar started to wither.Now, I&apos;m not a big fan of the icon/logo, but that definitely won&apos;t stop me from giving this a try. Perhaps you could make it a round badge-like thingie, like the Fb and Tb icons.Thanks in advance for your efforts, guys!</description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This looks like it could be the desktop calendar I've wanted for ages. Because both MB and Px/Fb would crash on me from time to time, my efforts to use Mozilla Calendar started to wither.</p>

<p>Now, I'm not a big fan of the icon/logo, but that definitely won't stop me from giving this a try. Perhaps you could make it a round badge-like thingie, like the Fb and Tb icons.</p>

<p>Thanks in advance for your efforts, guys!</p>]]></content:encoded>
				<link>http://gemal.dk/blog/2003/07/16/mozilla_sunbird/#comment7?from=rss-comment</link>
				<guid>http://gemal.dk/blog/2003/07/16/mozilla_sunbird/#comment7</guid>
				<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2003 15:10:52 +0100</pubDate>
				<author>
					<name>[ct]</name>
					<email>ct@xanoo.com</email>
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				<title>By Millennium</title>
				<description>Kermit: Just because they are separate programs does not mean they aren&apos;t integrated. That&apos;s the right way to make software: small tools that do one thing and do it well, plus integrate with other tools to do things far greater than either of them could do alone.</description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kermit: Just because they are separate programs does not mean they aren't integrated. That's the right way to make software: small tools that do one thing and do it well, plus integrate with other tools to do things far greater than either of them could do alone.</p>]]></content:encoded>
				<link>http://gemal.dk/blog/2003/07/16/mozilla_sunbird/#comment8?from=rss-comment</link>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2003 16:59:41 +0100</pubDate>
				<author>
					<name>Millennium</name>
					<email>millennium@mac.com</email>
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				<title>By Kris</title>
				<description>I think the new logo is bloody fantastic. But then I like all that Aztec style art stuff. Certainly I think a couple of the comments above are true i.e. it needs darkening and putting on a non-white background. Other than that I&apos;m well pleased.However if we&apos;re standardising on &quot;bird&quot; names maybe a logo similar to this www.proton-storm.net/sunbird.png may be appropriate.Kris.</description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the new logo is bloody fantastic. But then I like all that Aztec style art stuff. Certainly I think a couple of the comments above are true i.e. it needs darkening and putting on a non-white background. Other than that I'm well pleased.</p>

<p>However if we're standardising on "bird" names maybe a logo similar to this www.proton-storm.net/sunbird.png may be appropriate.<br />
Kris.</p>]]></content:encoded>
				<link>http://gemal.dk/blog/2003/07/16/mozilla_sunbird/#comment9?from=rss-comment</link>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2003 17:07:55 +0100</pubDate>
				<author>
					<name>Kris</name>
					<email>kris@proton-storm.net</email>
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				<title>By Mike</title>
				<description>Thunderbird icon:http://mozilla.org/frontpage/productIconThunderbird.gifFirebird icon:http://mozilla.org/frontpage/downloadIconFirebird.gifI think if you are going to follow the *bird naming scheme, you ought to keep the icons the same, just change the color to yellow.If you look in firebird&apos;s about dialog, you&apos;ll see the red bird, and if you look in thunderbird&apos;s about dialog, you&apos;ll see the blue bird.The thing with yellow, is that you&apos;ll have a problem on light backgrounds.Good luck!</description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thunderbird icon:<br />
<a href="http://mozilla.org/frontpage/productIconThunderbird.gif" rel="nofollow">http://mozilla.org/frontpage/productIconThunderbird.gif</a><br />
Firebird icon:<br />
<a href="http://mozilla.org/frontpage/downloadIconFirebird.gif" rel="nofollow">http://mozilla.org/frontpage/downloadIconFirebird.gif</a></p>

<p>I think if you are going to follow the *bird naming scheme, you ought to keep the icons the same, just change the color to yellow.</p>

<p>If you look in firebird's about dialog, you'll see the red bird, and if you look in thunderbird's about dialog, you'll see the blue bird.</p>

<p>The thing with yellow, is that you'll have a problem on light backgrounds.</p>

<p>Good luck!</p>]]></content:encoded>
				<link>http://gemal.dk/blog/2003/07/16/mozilla_sunbird/#comment10?from=rss-comment</link>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2003 18:24:51 +0100</pubDate>
				<author>
					<name>Mike</name>
					<email>mgoodspe@mail.win.org</email>
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				<title>By leo</title>
				<description>You can  outline the bird instead of making it darker. Perhaps what will work.</description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can  outline the bird instead of making it darker. Perhaps what will work.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2003 18:33:27 +0100</pubDate>
				<author>
					<name>leo</name>
					<email>openflyman@hotmail.com</email>
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				<title>By Kjetil</title>
				<description>I saw this news at MozillaZine (http://www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=3432). Big thumbs up for doing this. What&apos;s stopping me from using Firebird is the calendar.One commenter (mlefevre) made a good point (I think) of why the calendar perhaps is better suited as an extension ala what the Chatzilla guys are doing. How does this sound?</description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw this news at MozillaZine (<a href="http://www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=3432)." rel="nofollow">http://www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=3432).</a> Big thumbs up for doing this. What's stopping me from using Firebird is the calendar.</p>

<p>One commenter (mlefevre) made a good point (I think) of why the calendar perhaps is better suited as an extension ala what the Chatzilla guys are doing. How does this sound?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2003 19:50:38 +0100</pubDate>
				<author>
					<name>Kjetil</name>
					<email>kjehelle@yahoo.com</email>
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				<title>By Charles</title>
				<description>I think a little orange blended in to create contrast would look awesome!</description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think a little orange blended in to create contrast would look awesome!</p>]]></content:encoded>
				<link>http://gemal.dk/blog/2003/07/16/mozilla_sunbird/#comment13?from=rss-comment</link>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2003 19:51:23 +0100</pubDate>
				<author>
					<name>Charles</name>
					<email>cginzel@hotmail.com</email>
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				<title>By [ct]</title>
				<description>[Partly in reply to mlefevre] I never quite understood how Mozilla went from a centralized suite to a series of executables and extensions, resulting in duplicate code. The way I see it, because everything will keep depending on XUL etc., they could make the downloads a lot smaller by providing the GRE independently, and make users install it when they first use a Mozilla product - a lot like JRE I suppose. Wouldn&apos;t that reduce the download sizes drastically? Or is it the case already?</description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[Partly in reply to mlefevre] I never quite understood how Mozilla went from a centralized suite to a series of executables and extensions, resulting in duplicate code. The way I see it, because everything will keep depending on XUL etc., they could make the downloads a lot smaller by providing the GRE independently, and make users install it when they first use a Mozilla product - a lot like JRE I suppose. Wouldn't that reduce the download sizes drastically? Or is it the case already?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2003 20:10:08 +0100</pubDate>
				<author>
					<name>[ct]</name>
					<email>ct@xanoo.com</email>
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				<title>By orizng</title>
				<description>WOW, l love it, except the LOGO, the color should be more bright and clear</description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WOW, l love it, except the LOGO, the color should be more bright and clear</p>]]></content:encoded>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2003 01:51:47 +0100</pubDate>
				<author>
					<name>orizng</name>
					<email>mwf@ustc.edu</email>
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				<title>By Strass</title>
				<description>Is this statement following the annouce of OpenGroupware.org ?If yes, it will be excellent!</description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is this statement following the annouce of OpenGroupware.org ?<br />
If yes, it will be excellent!</p>]]></content:encoded>
				<link>http://gemal.dk/blog/2003/07/16/mozilla_sunbird/#comment16?from=rss-comment</link>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2003 10:08:00 +0100</pubDate>
				<author>
					<name>Strass</name>
					<email>yklis_nospam@kaliasys.com</email>
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				<title>By OA</title>
				<description>The whole idea of the *bird series is that they are stand-alone in contrast to the current Moz.</description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whole idea of the *bird series is that they are stand-alone in contrast to the current Moz.</p>]]></content:encoded>
				<link>http://gemal.dk/blog/2003/07/16/mozilla_sunbird/#comment17?from=rss-comment</link>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2003 10:27:08 +0100</pubDate>
				<author>
					<name>OA</name>
					<email>gemal@palnatoke.net</email>
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				<title>By Strass</title>
				<description>I mean, if Sunbird could become a client for OpenGroupware.org, it would be very cool.</description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I mean, if Sunbird could become a client for OpenGroupware.org, it would be very cool.</p>]]></content:encoded>
				<link>http://gemal.dk/blog/2003/07/16/mozilla_sunbird/#comment18?from=rss-comment</link>
				<guid>http://gemal.dk/blog/2003/07/16/mozilla_sunbird/#comment18</guid>
				<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2003 10:44:18 +0100</pubDate>
				<author>
					<name>Strass</name>
					<email>yklis_nospam@kaliasys.com</email>
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				<title>By Repzilon</title>
				<description>The logo just need darker borders, just like Firebird and Thunderbird.Off topic: What would the the *bird name of Composer?</description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The logo just need darker borders, just like Firebird and Thunderbird.</p>

<p>Off topic: What would the the *bird name of Composer?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2003 14:11:23 +0100</pubDate>
				<author>
					<name>Repzilon</name>
					<email>spam_repzi@mediom.qc.ca</email>
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				<title>By Scot</title>
				<description>I really like the logo - though I think it would look a bit better on top of an earth toned backdrop.Also, I like the idea of having the Calendar available as either a standalone app or as extension to the other birds.Scot</description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really like the logo - though I think it would look a bit better on top of an earth toned backdrop.</p>

<p>Also, I like the idea of having the Calendar available as either a standalone app or as extension to the other birds.</p>

<p>Scot</p>]]></content:encoded>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2003 14:16:26 +0100</pubDate>
				<author>
					<name>Scot</name>
					<email>s_mcsweeney_roberts@talk21.com</email>
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				<title>By MFamily-GO</title>
				<description>Keeping with the current *bird icon scheme, the following could be the products icon: http://home.earthlink.net/~nilsoncain/images/productIconSunbird.png and the following could be the about dialog bird: http://www14.brinkster.com/hao2lian/sunbird.html</description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keeping with the current *bird icon scheme, the following could be the products icon: <a href="http://home.earthlink.net/~nilsoncain/images/productIconSunbird.png" rel="nofollow">http://home.earthlink.net/~nilsoncain/images/productIconSunbird.png</a> and the following could be the about dialog bird: <a href="http://www14.brinkster.com/hao2lian/sunbird.html" rel="nofollow">http://www14.brinkster.com/hao2lian/sunbird.html</a></p>]]></content:encoded>
				<link>http://gemal.dk/blog/2003/07/16/mozilla_sunbird/#comment21?from=rss-comment</link>
				<guid>http://gemal.dk/blog/2003/07/16/mozilla_sunbird/#comment21</guid>
				<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2003 16:01:49 +0100</pubDate>
				<author>
					<name>MFamily-GO</name>
					<email>mfamily-GO@go2netmail.com</email>
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				<title>By jp</title>
				<description>why is everybody so obsessed about standalone apps? Whether or not something is a standalone program, plugin, extension, library etc. is a technical detail and really not that important for the end user - functionality is. And I somehow get the impression that all that uncoupling of Mozilla components just helps to end up with less features instead of letting me do what I like - I want to be able to attach alarms to emails and web pages, place links in todos, refer to email in appointment entries etc. All this seems the become less and less likely to be included in Calendar :(</description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why is everybody so obsessed about standalone apps? Whether or not something is a standalone program, plugin, extension, library etc. is a technical detail and really not that important for the end user - functionality is. And I somehow get the impression that all that uncoupling of Mozilla components just helps to end up with less features instead of letting me do what I like - I want to be able to attach alarms to emails and web pages, place links in todos, refer to email in appointment entries etc. All this seems the become less and less likely to be included in Calendar :(</p>]]></content:encoded>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2003 16:26:21 +0100</pubDate>
				<author>
					<name>jp</name>
					<email>johann.petrak@gmx.at</email>
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				<title>By Art Wildman</title>
				<description>There was a similar icon discussion on the Firebird Forum recently http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=15173&amp;postdays=0&amp;postorder=asc&amp;start=40http://www.mozilla.org/roadmap/branding.html With the announcement of the Mozilla Foundation we may be seeing that little green gecko lizard again once all these apps are put  into a package suite. http://www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=3434Logos are eye-candy &amp; fun to talk about, but not very productive. I&apos;m sure once the community gets going behind the Mozilla Sunbird Calendar project many creative &quot;themes&quot; &amp; logos will become available. I wish you folks all the success that Moz, FB &amp; TB have had and more.I&apos;m all for separate lightweight, customizable standalone apps, if we can &quot;sync&quot; the common data in profiles between them in a reliable &amp; manageable fashion from both the user &amp; sys/net-admin perspective. The challenge is to finally give average, small-biz &amp; possibly enterprise users the PIM/Calendar/Group Scheduler WebCal application needed to produce an outlook/act killer that can do ldap &amp; sync databases with the addressbooks/bookmarks in Thunderbird &amp; Firebird and be cross-platform + friendly with pda&apos;s, thumbdrives &amp; mobile devices. NWC: Promises Promiseshttp://www.networkcomputing.com/920/920f14.htmlI was first introduced to Calendar programming complexities by this article in LWN - &quot;On the Desktop&quot; http://lwn.net/2001/0809/desktop.php3 The Calendar Standards are confusing also, no less than 6 rfcs now... http://www.zvon.org/tmRFC/RFC_share/PHP/titleSearch.php?request=calendar&amp;searchType=1&amp;matchType=1 At least there is a &quot;Guide to Internet Calendaring&quot; http://www.zvon.org/tmRFC/RFC3283/Output/index.htmlIn &apos;97 I migrated users from CCMAIL to Netscape Communicator 4.7 with Enterprise Messaging &amp; the  Calender Server never became a reality for us (not sure its status now, but this white paper outlines the challenges)... http://wp.netscape.com/calendar/v3.5/evalguide/http://enterprise.netscape.com/products/index.htmlI&apos;ve continued to work within the Netscape/Mozilla model &amp; provide some 3rd-party or Open Source solutions for managing contacts &amp; calendars with poor results, though Mozilla shows much promise. I&apos;ve been struggling recenltly with Migrating &quot;profiles&quot; between Netscape4.7x/Messenger and Moz, sharing them on a network &amp; trying to sync some of the userdata between win32 &amp; unix clients. Just do a bugzilla search for &quot;profiles&quot; if ya want to see that end of a fire hose or visit my post on Zillavilla.com http://zillavilla.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3&amp;sid=06fe2fa68261b53ee38bb23adbac08e3I not a coder, but an admin who still uses a paper  &quot;pocket-cal&quot; for such things (after breaking mah pda screen), however I have users who require group scheduling and syncing contacts, urls &amp; date information. To them this is very &quot;personal&quot; data and nothing is more mission critical than contacts, email &amp; schedules. It has to be kept private unless published, backed up on network shares &amp; do that &quot;roaming&quot; thing better than windows!http://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar/http://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar/requirements.htmlThis item 2.0 worries me. &quot;You should be able to associate calendar items with contacts and mailing lists (groups of contacts).&quot;My favorite Moz/FB extension is &quot;mozex&quot; which integrates a bunch of little apps that do things well &amp; allows the user to customize them. http://mozex.mozdev.org/screenshots.html  Here&apos;s an interesting Project Mangagement Program the Moz/SunBird Team might use, -GForge http://gforge.org/ Need more? Wow, 220 Calendar &amp; 51 PIM projects on Freshmeat/Sourceforge! http://freshmeat.net/search/?q=calendar&amp;section=projects&amp;x=0&amp;y=0http://freshmeat.net/search/?q=PIM&amp;section=projects&amp;x=0&amp;y=0Will there be a &quot;SunBird&quot; forum on Mozillazine?http://forums.mozillazine.org/index.php-HTH Focus the thread a bit, since I can&apos;t code maybe I&apos;ll work on another logo ;p</description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was a similar icon discussion on the Firebird Forum recently <a href="http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=15173&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=40" rel="nofollow">http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=15173&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=40</a><br />
<a href="http://www.mozilla.org/roadmap/branding.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mozilla.org/roadmap/branding.html</a> With the announcement of the Mozilla Foundation we may be seeing that little green gecko lizard again once all these apps are put  into a package suite. <a href="http://www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=3434" rel="nofollow">http://www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=3434</a></p>

<p>Logos are eye-candy & fun to talk about, but not very productive. I'm sure once the community gets going behind the Mozilla Sunbird Calendar project many creative "themes" & logos will become available. I wish you folks all the success that Moz, FB & TB have had and more.</p>

<p>I'm all for separate lightweight, customizable standalone apps, if we can "sync" the common data in profiles between them in a reliable & manageable fashion from both the user & sys/net-admin perspective. The challenge is to finally give average, small-biz & possibly enterprise users the PIM/Calendar/Group Scheduler WebCal application needed to produce an outlook/act killer that can do ldap & sync databases with the addressbooks/bookmarks in Thunderbird & Firebird and be cross-platform + friendly with pda's, thumbdrives & mobile devices. NWC: Promises Promises<br />
<a href="http://www.networkcomputing.com/920/920f14.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.networkcomputing.com/920/920f14.html</a></p>

<p>I was first introduced to Calendar programming complexities by this article in LWN - "On the Desktop" <a href="http://lwn.net/2001/0809/desktop.php3" rel="nofollow">http://lwn.net/2001/0809/desktop.php3</a> The Calendar Standards are confusing also, no less than 6 rfcs now... <a href="http://www.zvon.org/tmRFC/RFC_share/PHP/titleSearch.php?request=calendar&searchType=1&matchType=1" rel="nofollow">http://www.zvon.org/tmRFC/RFC_share/PHP/titleSearch.php?request=calendar&searchType=1&matchType=1</a> At least there is a "Guide to Internet Calendaring" <a href="http://www.zvon.org/tmRFC/RFC3283/Output/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.zvon.org/tmRFC/RFC3283/Output/index.html</a></p>

<p>In '97 I migrated users from CCMAIL to Netscape Communicator 4.7 with Enterprise Messaging & the  Calender Server never became a reality for us (not sure its status now, but this white paper outlines the challenges)... <a href="http://wp.netscape.com/calendar/v3.5/evalguide/" rel="nofollow">http://wp.netscape.com/calendar/v3.5/evalguide/</a><br />
<a href="http://enterprise.netscape.com/products/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://enterprise.netscape.com/products/index.html</a><br />
I've continued to work within the Netscape/Mozilla model & provide some 3rd-party or Open Source solutions for managing contacts & calendars with poor results, though Mozilla shows much promise. I've been struggling recenltly with Migrating "profiles" between Netscape4.7x/Messenger and Moz, sharing them on a network & trying to sync some of the userdata between win32 & unix clients. Just do a bugzilla search for "profiles" if ya want to see that end of a fire hose or visit my post on Zillavilla.com <a href="http://zillavilla.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3&sid=06fe2fa68261b53ee38bb23adbac08e3" rel="nofollow">http://zillavilla.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3&sid=06fe2fa68261b53ee38bb23adbac08e3</a></p>

<p>I not a coder, but an admin who still uses a paper  "pocket-cal" for such things (after breaking mah pda screen), however I have users who require group scheduling and syncing contacts, urls & date information. To them this is very "personal" data and nothing is more mission critical than contacts, email & schedules. It has to be kept private unless published, backed up on network shares & do that "roaming" thing better than windows!</p>

<p><a href="http://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar/" rel="nofollow">http://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar/</a><br />
<a href="http://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar/requirements.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar/requirements.html</a><br />
This item 2.0 worries me. "You should be able to associate calendar items with contacts and mailing lists (groups of contacts)."</p>

<p>My favorite Moz/FB extension is "mozex" which integrates a bunch of little apps that do things well & allows the user to customize them. <a href="http://mozex.mozdev.org/screenshots.html" rel="nofollow">http://mozex.mozdev.org/screenshots.html</a>  Here's an interesting Project Mangagement Program the Moz/SunBird Team might use, -GForge <a href="http://gforge.org/" rel="nofollow">http://gforge.org/</a> Need more? Wow, 220 Calendar & 51 PIM projects on Freshmeat/Sourceforge! <a href="http://freshmeat.net/search/?q=calendar&section=projects&x=0&y=0" rel="nofollow">http://freshmeat.net/search/?q=calendar&section=projects&x=0&y=0</a><br />
<a href="http://freshmeat.net/search/?q=PIM&section=projects&x=0&y=0" rel="nofollow">http://freshmeat.net/search/?q=PIM&section=projects&x=0&y=0</a></p>

<p>Will there be a "SunBird" forum on Mozillazine?<br />
<a href="http://forums.mozillazine.org/index.php" rel="nofollow">http://forums.mozillazine.org/index.php</a></p>

<p>-HTH Focus the thread a bit, since I can't code maybe I'll work on another logo ;p</p>]]></content:encoded>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2003 14:18:25 +0100</pubDate>
				<author>
					<name>Art Wildman</name>
					<email>wildman@pobox.com</email>
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				<title>By Nostromo</title>
				<description>I like the idea.. but when there will be a first alpha release version available for Win?And wherecan I download it from?</description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the idea.. but when there will be a first alpha release version available for Win?<br />
And wherecan I download it from?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2003 15:05:19 +0100</pubDate>
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					<name>Nostromo</name>
					<email>morm@wappi.com</email>
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				<title>By Greg “if you understand it, it is obsolete” Nicholson</title>
				<description>Seb Delahaye has made installers for all three Birds for Windows - http://seb.mozdev.org/</description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seb Delahaye has made installers for all three Birds for Windows - <a href="http://seb.mozdev.org/" rel="nofollow">http://seb.mozdev.org/</a></p>]]></content:encoded>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2003 16:41:33 +0100</pubDate>
				<author>
					<name>Greg “if you understand it, it is obsolete” Nicholson</name>
					<email>mooquackwooftweetmeow@hotmail.com</email>
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				<title>By Michi</title>
				<description>What I would like best is combining calendar and adressbook in a standalone sunbird and be able to sync it to my palm and to use adressbook-information in thunderbird to ( and in openoffice......... )</description>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2003 21:03:35 +0100</pubDate>
				<author>
					<name>Michi</name>
					<email>michael.markaritzer@gmx.net</email>
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				<title>By jZ</title>
				<description>Is this the official Homepage of Sunbird? if not, where is it?</description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is this the official Homepage of Sunbird? if not, where is it?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2003 18:06:31 +0100</pubDate>
				<author>
					<name>jZ</name>
					<email>jolz@freenet.de</email>
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				<title>By Henrik Gemal</title>
				<description>Official homepage is:http://mozilla.org/projects/calendar/</description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Official homepage is:<br />
<a href="http://mozilla.org/projects/calendar/" rel="nofollow">http://mozilla.org/projects/calendar/</a></p>]]></content:encoded>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2003 18:21:07 +0100</pubDate>
				<author>
					<name>Henrik Gemal</name>
					<email>no@spam.com</email>
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				<title>By nobudy</title>
				<description>I used/will use the green old Mozilla lizerd logo for ZZO BROWSER 1.0 (not 0.7) wich will be based on the Mozilla sorce-code but ritin in VB6 insted uv C++</description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used/will use the green old Mozilla lizerd logo for ZZO BROWSER 1.0 (not 0.7) wich will be based on the Mozilla sorce-code but ritin in VB6 insted uv C++</p>]]></content:encoded>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2003 21:57:39 +0100</pubDate>
				<author>
					<name>nobudy</name>
					<email>asdf@mailinator.com</email>
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				<title>By nobudy</title>
				<description>I need help to convert a part uv the sorce-code for Mozilla into Visual Basic 6. If you hav eny informasen send to the email adres listed on mi web site is http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/ with subject line starts with &quot;! Mozilla Code Into VB6&quot; (without qotasen marks)</description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I need help to convert a part uv the sorce-code for Mozilla into Visual Basic 6. If you hav eny informasen send to the email adres listed on mi web site is <a href="http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/" rel="nofollow">http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/</a> with subject line starts with "! Mozilla Code Into VB6" (without qotasen marks)</p>]]></content:encoded>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2003 22:01:15 +0100</pubDate>
				<author>
					<name>nobudy</name>
					<email>asdf@mailinator.com</email>
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				<title>By Vicky</title>
				<description>I like the logo...assuming the background is not slated to be white.Waiting patiently for the Mac version.Thank you!</description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the logo...assuming the background is not slated to be white.</p>

<p>Waiting patiently for the Mac version.</p>

<p>Thank you!</p>]]></content:encoded>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2004 01:35:31 +0100</pubDate>
				<author>
					<name>Vicky</name>
					<email>igo4mtns@mac.com</email>
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				<title>By Swingheim</title>
				<description>Is there a way to start the calendar plugin, without running Firefox or Thunderbird? (Windows)I tried some command line stuff like &quot;firefox.exe components\calendar.xul&quot;, but I can&apos;t figure it out....</description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there a way to start the calendar plugin, without running Firefox or Thunderbird? (Windows)</p>

<p>I tried some command line stuff like "firefox.exe components\calendar.xul", but I can't figure it out....</p>]]></content:encoded>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2004 21:25:32 +0100</pubDate>
				<author>
					<name>Swingheim</name>
					<email>swingheim@hotmail.com</email>
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