Another bird has landed! Mozilla Sunbird aka Mozilla Calendar aka Calendar stand alone application.
The logo to the right is the current Mozilla Sunbird logo. Perhaps it's just a temporary logo. Who knows...?
I hope it's only a temporary logo. It's too bright for my liking, and others I've talked to agree.Comment by Christopher S. 'coldacid' Charabaruk at July 17, 2003 01:05 AM | Permalink
Did people really buy that idea? Ouch, ouch, ouch.Comment by OA at July 17, 2003 01:34 AM | Permalink
Too bright?! It's supposed to be bright, like the sun. ;-)Comment by Robb at July 17, 2003 03:22 AM | Permalink
I think it's cool looking, it just needs to be not set on white. On my monitor it's practically invisible! Good luck with the project though, Firebird/Thunderbird needs a good calendar product to be able to compete with Outlook in the corporate world.Comment by Jon at July 17, 2003 02:32 PM | Permalink
I think the calendar should be integrated with thunderbird, but that's just my idea...Comment by Kermit at July 17, 2003 02:48 PM | Permalink
think the icon looks ok, although the yellow should be a bit darker if it's going to work on a white background.
but (as I've just posted on the mozillazine story) I agree with the previous comments. Calendar needs to be integrated with Thunderbird/Firebird. Having a pile of separate apps which each require a 5-6MB download and their own installation isn't good. Not a problem in the short term, I'm just hoping people aren't losing site of that for the longer term...Comment by michaell at July 17, 2003 02:53 PM | Permalink
This looks like it could be the desktop calendar I've wanted for ages. Because both MB and Px/Fb would crash on me from time to time, my efforts to use Mozilla Calendar started to wither.
Now, I'm not a big fan of the icon/logo, but that definitely won't stop me from giving this a try. Perhaps you could make it a round badge-like thingie, like the Fb and Tb icons.
Thanks in advance for your efforts, guys!Comment by [ct] at July 17, 2003 03:10 PM | Permalink
Kermit: Just because they are separate programs does not mean they aren't integrated. That's the right way to make software: small tools that do one thing and do it well, plus integrate with other tools to do things far greater than either of them could do alone.Comment by Millennium at July 17, 2003 04:59 PM | Permalink
I think the new logo is bloody fantastic. But then I like all that Aztec style art stuff. Certainly I think a couple of the comments above are true i.e. it needs darkening and putting on a non-white background. Other than that I'm well pleased.
However if we're standardising on "bird" names maybe a logo similar to this www.proton-storm.net/sunbird.png may be appropriate.
I think if you are going to follow the *bird naming scheme, you ought to keep the icons the same, just change the color to yellow.
If you look in firebird's about dialog, you'll see the red bird, and if you look in thunderbird's about dialog, you'll see the blue bird.
The thing with yellow, is that you'll have a problem on light backgrounds.
Good luck!Comment by Mike at July 17, 2003 06:24 PM | Permalink
You can outline the bird instead of making it darker. Perhaps what will work.Comment by leo at July 17, 2003 06:33 PM | Permalink
I saw this news at MozillaZine (http://www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=3432). Big thumbs up for doing this. What's stopping me from using Firebird is the calendar.
One commenter (mlefevre) made a good point (I think) of why the calendar perhaps is better suited as an extension ala what the Chatzilla guys are doing. How does this sound?Comment by Kjetil at July 17, 2003 07:50 PM | Permalink
I think a little orange blended in to create contrast would look awesome!Comment by Charles at July 17, 2003 07:51 PM | Permalink
[Partly in reply to mlefevre] I never quite understood how Mozilla went from a centralized suite to a series of executables and extensions, resulting in duplicate code. The way I see it, because everything will keep depending on XUL etc., they could make the downloads a lot smaller by providing the GRE independently, and make users install it when they first use a Mozilla product - a lot like JRE I suppose. Wouldn't that reduce the download sizes drastically? Or is it the case already?Comment by [ct] at July 17, 2003 08:10 PM | Permalink
WOW, l love it, except the LOGO, the color should be more bright and clearComment by orizng at July 18, 2003 01:51 AM | Permalink
Is this statement following the annouce of OpenGroupware.org ?
If yes, it will be excellent!
The whole idea of the *bird series is that they are stand-alone in contrast to the current Moz.Comment by OA at July 18, 2003 10:27 AM | Permalink
I mean, if Sunbird could become a client for OpenGroupware.org, it would be very cool.Comment by Strass at July 18, 2003 10:44 AM | Permalink
The logo just need darker borders, just like Firebird and Thunderbird.
Off topic: What would the the *bird name of Composer?Comment by Repzilon at July 18, 2003 02:11 PM | Permalink
I really like the logo - though I think it would look a bit better on top of an earth toned backdrop.
Also, I like the idea of having the Calendar available as either a standalone app or as extension to the other birds.
ScotComment by Scot at July 18, 2003 02:16 PM | Permalink
Keeping with the current *bird icon scheme, the following could be the products icon: http://home.earthlink.net/~nilsoncain/images/productIconSunbird.png and the following could be the about dialog bird: http://www14.brinkster.com/hao2lian/sunbird.htmlComment by MFamily-GO at July 18, 2003 04:01 PM | Permalink
why is everybody so obsessed about standalone apps? Whether or not something is a standalone program, plugin, extension, library etc. is a technical detail and really not that important for the end user - functionality is. And I somehow get the impression that all that uncoupling of Mozilla components just helps to end up with less features instead of letting me do what I like - I want to be able to attach alarms to emails and web pages, place links in todos, refer to email in appointment entries etc. All this seems the become less and less likely to be included in Calendar :(Comment by jp at July 19, 2003 04:26 PM | Permalink
There was a similar icon discussion on the Firebird Forum recently http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=15173&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=40
http://www.mozilla.org/roadmap/branding.html With the announcement of the Mozilla Foundation we may be seeing that little green gecko lizard again once all these apps are put into a package suite. http://www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=3434
Logos are eye-candy & fun to talk about, but not very productive. I'm sure once the community gets going behind the Mozilla Sunbird Calendar project many creative "themes" & logos will become available. I wish you folks all the success that Moz, FB & TB have had and more.
I'm all for separate lightweight, customizable standalone apps, if we can "sync" the common data in profiles between them in a reliable & manageable fashion from both the user & sys/net-admin perspective. The challenge is to finally give average, small-biz & possibly enterprise users the PIM/Calendar/Group Scheduler WebCal application needed to produce an outlook/act killer that can do ldap & sync databases with the addressbooks/bookmarks in Thunderbird & Firebird and be cross-platform + friendly with pda's, thumbdrives & mobile devices. NWC: Promises Promises
I was first introduced to Calendar programming complexities by this article in LWN - "On the Desktop" http://lwn.net/2001/0809/desktop.php3 The Calendar Standards are confusing also, no less than 6 rfcs now... http://www.zvon.org/tmRFC/RFC_share/PHP/titleSearch.php?request=calendar&searchType=1&matchType=1 At least there is a "Guide to Internet Calendaring" http://www.zvon.org/tmRFC/RFC3283/Output/index.html
In '97 I migrated users from CCMAIL to Netscape Communicator 4.7 with Enterprise Messaging & the Calender Server never became a reality for us (not sure its status now, but this white paper outlines the challenges)... http://wp.netscape.com/calendar/v3.5/evalguide/
I've continued to work within the Netscape/Mozilla model & provide some 3rd-party or Open Source solutions for managing contacts & calendars with poor results, though Mozilla shows much promise. I've been struggling recenltly with Migrating "profiles" between Netscape4.7x/Messenger and Moz, sharing them on a network & trying to sync some of the userdata between win32 & unix clients. Just do a bugzilla search for "profiles" if ya want to see that end of a fire hose or visit my post on Zillavilla.com http://zillavilla.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3&sid=06fe2fa68261b53ee38bb23adbac08e3
I not a coder, but an admin who still uses a paper "pocket-cal" for such things (after breaking mah pda screen), however I have users who require group scheduling and syncing contacts, urls & date information. To them this is very "personal" data and nothing is more mission critical than contacts, email & schedules. It has to be kept private unless published, backed up on network shares & do that "roaming" thing better than windows!
This item 2.0 worries me. "You should be able to associate calendar items with contacts and mailing lists (groups of contacts)."
My favorite Moz/FB extension is "mozex" which integrates a bunch of little apps that do things well & allows the user to customize them. http://mozex.mozdev.org/screenshots.html Here's an interesting Project Mangagement Program the Moz/SunBird Team might use, -GForge http://gforge.org/ Need more? Wow, 220 Calendar & 51 PIM projects on Freshmeat/Sourceforge! http://freshmeat.net/search/?q=calendar§ion=projects&x=0&y=0
Will there be a "SunBird" forum on Mozillazine?
-HTH Focus the thread a bit, since I can't code maybe I'll work on another logo ;pComment by Art Wildman at July 21, 2003 02:18 PM | Permalink
I like the idea.. but when there will be a first alpha release version available for Win?
And wherecan I download it from?
Seb Delahaye has made installers for all three Birds for Windows - http://seb.mozdev.org/Comment by Greg “if you understand it, it is obsolete” Nicholson at October 2, 2003 04:41 PM | Permalink
What I would like best is combining calendar and adressbook in a standalone sunbird and be able to sync it to my palm and to use adressbook-information in thunderbird to ( and in openoffice......... )Comment by Michi at October 9, 2003 09:03 PM | Permalink
Is this the official Homepage of Sunbird? if not, where is it?Comment by jZ at December 5, 2003 06:06 PM | Permalink
Official homepage is:
I used/will use the green old Mozilla lizerd logo for ZZO BROWSER 1.0 (not 0.7) wich will be based on the Mozilla sorce-code but ritin in VB6 insted uv C++Comment by nobudy at December 11, 2003 09:57 PM | Permalink
I need help to convert a part uv the sorce-code for Mozilla into Visual Basic 6. If you hav eny informasen send to the email adres listed on mi web site is http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/ with subject line starts with "! Mozilla Code Into VB6" (without qotasen marks)Comment by nobudy at December 11, 2003 10:01 PM | Permalink
I like the logo...assuming the background is not slated to be white.
Waiting patiently for the Mac version.
Thank you!Comment by Vicky at January 18, 2004 01:35 AM | Permalink
Is there a way to start the calendar plugin, without running Firefox or Thunderbird? (Windows)
I tried some command line stuff like "firefox.exe components\calendar.xul", but I can't figure it out....Comment by Swingheim at February 12, 2004 09:25 PM | Permalink
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