View Source to become a developer option?
Asa Dotzler writes:
Ohhh no! How is View Source a developer option? I just dont understand. View source is an essential browser feature. Please dont move it into a developer package.
I can just see it. A friend of mine are having problems with a page. "Please have a look at this page that doesn't render correct in Mozilla Firefox". I check it out by saying "Let me just look at the source of the page. Ups. Cant help you. You first have to download Mozila Firefox again and then do a custom install". Come on!
Or you could type view-source:mypage.com or you could type ctrl+u or you could install an extension from update.mozilla.org that enables a menu item for the feature. Oh, the horror. The horror. Life is pain.Comment by Asa Dotzler at August 20, 2004 08:17 AM | Permalink
Asa: it says "move View Source window into the developer pack"
With that I understood that it would not be possible anymore to press CTRL+U
Can you confirm that CTRL+U will still work?Comment by Henrik Gemal at August 20, 2004 08:35 AM | Permalink
as far is i understood it, the fix looks just for a front-end-patch, at least for the source-code-thing. nevertheless i wouldn't be really happy with that. view source is quite essential, and at least i didn't know the ctrl+u-shortcut ;)Comment by Sebastian at August 20, 2004 08:56 AM | Permalink
ASA: Or you could type view-source:mypage.com or you could type ctrl+u or you could install an extension from update.mozilla.org that enables a menu item for the feature
Lets say I'm a webmaster getting a complain about my site doesn't work in his Firefox browser (which I don't use myself and don't know anything about). I tell him to look after something in the sourcecode telling me which version of the page he's looking at, because I have some serverside detection on browsertype or loginstatus or language or something. How do I do that he asks? Well look for something with "source" in the menus I tell him...
Stig: I think you're exaggerating the problem. Removing menu entries is no big deal. Esp. for a feature that someone who does not understand html (90% of web users?) would never use.Comment by vfwlkr at August 20, 2004 12:06 PM | Permalink
I also think that removing such an essential tool or an easy access to it is not a smart move. First removing back/reload from the context menu on images and now this :(Comment by Jure Repinc at August 20, 2004 02:28 PM | Permalink
Who are going to view source?
Mostly, they are developers.
Open view source to html editor applications will be much helpful for developers.
Please consider :
[Bug 8589] make view source optionally open in text/plain helper app
Removing View Source from a default load would just suck. Next to zero improvement in user experience (gee, 1 less menu item), at the cost of inconveniencing technical users/web geeks: your traditional userbase and marketing department. Your grandpa/ma may not understand what it's for, but if they're smart enough to find, install and use moz, they're smart enough to ignore it. Someone please take away Steffen Wilberg's badge and gun.Comment by DhC at August 20, 2004 04:15 PM | Permalink
I don't think it's something that should be removed for 1.0 but if it has to go maybe it should be phased out after 1.0
It'll be another thing for webmasters who have switched to Firefox because it's finally non-beta to bitch about.Comment by GURT at August 20, 2004 04:26 PM | Permalink
Benjamin Smedberg, Daniel Glazman, Henrik Germal, Michael Kaply also appear to be part of 'the resistance' (can't beat the nerdy name). View Source and JS Console are needed. Especially view source. This wouldn't be a wise move....TrackBack from I'm glad I'm not the only one at August 20, 2004 04:53 PM | Permalink
If view source will be remove from content menus, what about view selection source? Because view selection source can't be fired by Ctrl +U or "view-source" handler...Comment by minghong at August 20, 2004 05:06 PM | Permalink
Firefox is available on most platforms, so you have no excuse for not having it installed if you're a web developer.Comment by Hemebond at August 21, 2004 12:40 AM | Permalink
Style switcher is going to be removed too, see comments on Asa's blog.Comment by Adam Hauner at August 23, 2004 07:35 AM | Permalink
Why so rude, Asa? You seem bent on becoming the Dave Winer of Mozilla.Comment by Rod at August 24, 2004 04:29 PM | Permalink